The use of a compound of formula (I), Y is a single bond, C═O, C═S or S(O)m where m is 0, 1 or 2; the ring (II) is a 6 membered aromatic ring or is a 5 or 6 membered heteroaromatic ring; Z and Z′ are ═C— or —N— provided that both are not N; R1, R2 R3, R3a, R4, R8 and Ra are specified organic groups and n and p are independently 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4; or salts or N-oxides thereof or compositions containing them in controlling insects, acarines, nematodes or molluscs. Novel compounds are also provided.