This disclosure relates, in part, to compounds of Formula (1) (including allstereoisomers),N-oxides of such compounds,and salts of such compounds and N-oxides: wherein wherein L, Y1, R1, J, Q1,R7, Y2, R9 and Q2 are as defmed in the disclosure. Alsodisclosed are compositions containing the compounds of Formula (1) and methodsfor controlling undesired vegetation comprisingcontacting the undesired vegetation or its environment with an effectiveamount of a compound or a composition of the invention.